Several years ago, I got more serious about writing picture books. To do that, I had to find and learn from other professionals. Enter the Picturebooking podcast. It was the first kidlit podcast I ever listened to and one I treasure. Now, all these years later, Jonathan and I are guests on this podcast that meant so much to me. Please enjoy Jonathan introducing me as a ribbon dancer and other shenanigans as we talk about self-publishing children's books together. We also offer some tantalizing details on Pancho 3 and how the structure of the setting mirrors the structure of the story. Enjoy!